Why do American Executives hate animation?
http://seanszeles.blogspot.com/2007/10/el-tigre.html
Why do executives hate American animation?
If you haven't heard, El Tigre was canceled. There are some people I've met on this website who worked on El Tigre, and I'm very sorry for them.
Name me one new animated show that is coming out in the next year (not including Chowder). Now name me one original English animated show that is being renewed.
I don't know what to do. I DON'T want to make childish shows. Why must I appeal to children? Because the industry tells me to?
Is it because the House of Mickey doomed American animation to be unfairly considered the realm of children?
I want to animate topics that appeal to me.
I want to go beyond what censorship allows me to show.
I want to push the envelope, to salute the future at the same time I exonerate the past, to create stories that ignite the imagination of those who follow me.
I don't see that currently.
Right now, animation is my dream. Whether I pursue it or not is currently up in the air, but if I do make this my life, I want to revolutionize what has come before and what will come since.
Who is the Miyazaki of American Animation? McCracken? Tartakovsky? Adams? McFarlene?
The only american animations marketed for adults are comedies. Where is the animated "CSI:? "The animated "Heroes"? There are no animated dramas, no animated suspense, no animated action.
Breaking into animation is one thing. Sure, don't break your back, but what are you doing to make American animation considered true art?
In the trailer for PAPRIKA, the New York Times states "Japanese animators are reaching for the moon, while their American counterparts remain stuck in the kiddie box." Doesn't that just anger you?!?
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just ignorant. But don't you want to see something more?
Animation as art?
A conversation:
RadioFreeMetalG: Thank god. I just posted a rant on Frederator
capnkep720: oh yeah?
RadioFreeMetalG: I don't know if I should have
capnkep720: where?
RadioFreeMetalG: On my profile
RadioFreeMetalG: http://raw.channelfrederator.com/profiles/blog/show?id=890404%3ABlo...
capnkep720: I don't see it.
RadioFreeMetalG: I just posted it up 5 seconds ago, so maybe nto
RadioFreeMetalG: So I'm guessing it must be approved by a moderator
capnkep720: well, what was it about?
RadioFreeMetalG: Here's the full script:
capnkep720: ok
RadioFreeMetalG: I was originally going to make this a forum post, but I decided against it.
http://seanszeles.blogspot.com/2007/10/el-tigre.html
Why do executives hate American animation?
If you haven't heard, El Tigre was canceled. There are some people I've met on this website who worked on El Tigre, and I'm very sorry for them.
Name me one new animated show that is coming out in the next year (not including Chowder). Now name me one original English animated show that is being renewed.
I don't know what to do. I DON'T want to make childish shows. Why must I appeal to children? Because the industry tells me to?
Is it because the House of Mickey doomed American animation to be unfairly considered the realm of children?
I want to animate topics that appeal to me.
I want to go beyond what censorship allows me to show.
I want to push the envelope, to salute the future at the same time I exonerate the past, to create stories that ignite the imagination of those who follow me.
I don't see that currently.
Right now, animation is my dream. Whether I pursue it or not is currently up in the air, but if I do make this my life, I want to revolutionize what has come before and what will come since.
Who is the Miyazaki of American Animation? McCracken? Tartakovsky? Adams? McFarlene?
The only american animations marketed for adults are comedies. Where is the animated "CSI:? "The animated "Heroes"? There are no animated dramas, no animated suspense, no animated action.
Breaking into animation is one thing. Sure, don't break your back, but what are you doing to make American animation considered true art?
In the trailer for PAPRIKA, the New York Times states "Japanese animators are reaching for the moon, while their American counterparts remain stuck in the kiddie box." Doesn't that just anger you?!?
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just ignorant. But don't you want to see something more?
Animation as art?
capnkep720: I totally agree with you.
capnkep720: I've never thought about it that way
RadioFreeMetalG: I'm worried some will hate me
capnkep720: if they do, ...f### 'em
RadioFreeMetalG: thanks
capnkep720: why should only the japanese make animation intense adult dramas?
capnkep720: why can't Americans make something like "blue horizon"?
RadioFreeMetalG: Samba will not cater to children
capnkep720: I feel the same with composing music for animation and video games
capnkep720: why is it that only japanese are writing music like this? what's wrong with me being able to do it?
RadioFreeMetalG: What's wrong with holding it to higher standard?
capnkep720: why shouldn't I be able to write something epic for an animation instead of this constant "mickey mouse" sounding crap that's overdone.
capnkep720: exactly.
RadioFreeMetalG: I want to feel the same feeling I felt when watching old school anime at 1 am on SCIFI channel
capnkep720: yeah
capnkep720: Ithink that american art is held back in general
capnkep720: music, theatre, animation
capnkep720: they're cutting all the programs in schools
capnkep720: and when they do have them, they're forced to focus themselves inside a box.
RadioFreeMetalG: Art for the sake of art
capnkep720: yeah, exactly.
capnkep720: I feel like they focus soo much on 3d animation now, and only for movies, that they rarely do anything for anime in america
RadioFreeMetalG: Well, not anime
capnkep720: well, animation
RadioFreeMetalG: Has there been anything animated that appeals beyound the 13- range, besides comedies?
capnkep720: none that I can think of.
capnkep720: unless you consider Boondocks one
RadioFreeMetalG: I love the Simpsons, South Park, and Futurama
capnkep720: but that's only a one way track
capnkep720: and it's only there to make one statment.
capnkep720: which usually incorporates comedy in it.
RadioFreeMetalG: The Boondocks is amazing
capnkep720: albeit a little harsher and more racial.
RadioFreeMetalG: But who else is there in competition?
capnkep720: none.
RadioFreeMetalG: I watch Deviantartist LeSean, who worked storyboards and character design for the Boondocks
capnkep720: that's really cool.
RadioFreeMetalG: And he even states in his post that the Boondocks is pushing the envelope
capnkep720: yeah
capnkep720: this part of our world is continually being poisoned by mediocrity and redundancy
RadioFreeMetalG: Unfortuately, I will never agree to contrbute to anything below my ideals...so, unfortunately still, I will not go far
capnkep720: well, we can't pave our own way by walking in another's footprints.
RadioFreeMetalG: But I fear that I will never break into animation
capnkep720: you just have to develop a thick skin and just go after what you want.
RadioFreeMetalG: In the end, it's the almighty dollar, both in Japan and America
capnkep720: yeah
RadioFreeMetalG: Japan wants Americans to stop downloading their animation without paying
capnkep720: who knows, you might have the next greatest animated series
RadioFreeMetalG: I wish
RadioFreeMetalG: I think
RadioFreeMetalG: I hope
capnkep720: If you know what you want, the rest will come to you.
Why do executives hate American animation?
If you haven't heard, El Tigre was canceled. There are some people I've met on this website who worked on El Tigre, and I'm very sorry for them.
Name me one new animated show that is coming out in the next year (not including Chowder). Now name me one original English animated show that is being renewed.
I don't know what to do. I DON'T want to make childish shows. Why must I appeal to children? Because the industry tells me to?
Is it because the House of Mickey doomed American animation to be unfairly considered the realm of children?
I want to animate topics that appeal to me.
I want to go beyond what censorship allows me to show.
I want to push the envelope, to salute the future at the same time I exonerate the past, to create stories that ignite the imagination of those who follow me.
I don't see that currently.
Right now, animation is my dream. Whether I pursue it or not is currently up in the air, but if I do make this my life, I want to revolutionize what has come before and what will come since.
Who is the Miyazaki of American Animation? McCracken? Tartakovsky? Adams? McFarlene?
The only american animations marketed for adults are comedies. Where is the animated "CSI:? "The animated "Heroes"? There are no animated dramas, no animated suspense, no animated action.
Breaking into animation is one thing. Sure, don't break your back, but what are you doing to make American animation considered true art?
In the trailer for PAPRIKA, the New York Times states "Japanese animators are reaching for the moon, while their American counterparts remain stuck in the kiddie box." Doesn't that just anger you?!?
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just ignorant. But don't you want to see something more?
Animation as art?
A conversation:
RadioFreeMetalG: Thank god. I just posted a rant on Frederator
capnkep720: oh yeah?
RadioFreeMetalG: I don't know if I should have
capnkep720: where?
RadioFreeMetalG: On my profile
RadioFreeMetalG: http://raw.channelfrederator.com/profiles/blog/show?id=890404%3ABlo...
capnkep720: I don't see it.
RadioFreeMetalG: I just posted it up 5 seconds ago, so maybe nto
RadioFreeMetalG: So I'm guessing it must be approved by a moderator
capnkep720: well, what was it about?
RadioFreeMetalG: Here's the full script:
capnkep720: ok
RadioFreeMetalG: I was originally going to make this a forum post, but I decided against it.
http://seanszeles.blogspot.com/2007/10/el-tigre.html
Why do executives hate American animation?
If you haven't heard, El Tigre was canceled. There are some people I've met on this website who worked on El Tigre, and I'm very sorry for them.
Name me one new animated show that is coming out in the next year (not including Chowder). Now name me one original English animated show that is being renewed.
I don't know what to do. I DON'T want to make childish shows. Why must I appeal to children? Because the industry tells me to?
Is it because the House of Mickey doomed American animation to be unfairly considered the realm of children?
I want to animate topics that appeal to me.
I want to go beyond what censorship allows me to show.
I want to push the envelope, to salute the future at the same time I exonerate the past, to create stories that ignite the imagination of those who follow me.
I don't see that currently.
Right now, animation is my dream. Whether I pursue it or not is currently up in the air, but if I do make this my life, I want to revolutionize what has come before and what will come since.
Who is the Miyazaki of American Animation? McCracken? Tartakovsky? Adams? McFarlene?
The only american animations marketed for adults are comedies. Where is the animated "CSI:? "The animated "Heroes"? There are no animated dramas, no animated suspense, no animated action.
Breaking into animation is one thing. Sure, don't break your back, but what are you doing to make American animation considered true art?
In the trailer for PAPRIKA, the New York Times states "Japanese animators are reaching for the moon, while their American counterparts remain stuck in the kiddie box." Doesn't that just anger you?!?
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just ignorant. But don't you want to see something more?
Animation as art?
capnkep720: I totally agree with you.
capnkep720: I've never thought about it that way
RadioFreeMetalG: I'm worried some will hate me
capnkep720: if they do, ...f### 'em
RadioFreeMetalG: thanks
capnkep720: why should only the japanese make animation intense adult dramas?
capnkep720: why can't Americans make something like "blue horizon"?
RadioFreeMetalG: Samba will not cater to children
capnkep720: I feel the same with composing music for animation and video games
capnkep720: why is it that only japanese are writing music like this? what's wrong with me being able to do it?
RadioFreeMetalG: What's wrong with holding it to higher standard?
capnkep720: why shouldn't I be able to write something epic for an animation instead of this constant "mickey mouse" sounding crap that's overdone.
capnkep720: exactly.
RadioFreeMetalG: I want to feel the same feeling I felt when watching old school anime at 1 am on SCIFI channel
capnkep720: yeah
capnkep720: Ithink that american art is held back in general
capnkep720: music, theatre, animation
capnkep720: they're cutting all the programs in schools
capnkep720: and when they do have them, they're forced to focus themselves inside a box.
RadioFreeMetalG: Art for the sake of art
capnkep720: yeah, exactly.
capnkep720: I feel like they focus soo much on 3d animation now, and only for movies, that they rarely do anything for anime in america
RadioFreeMetalG: Well, not anime
capnkep720: well, animation
RadioFreeMetalG: Has there been anything animated that appeals beyound the 13- range, besides comedies?
capnkep720: none that I can think of.
capnkep720: unless you consider Boondocks one
RadioFreeMetalG: I love the Simpsons, South Park, and Futurama
capnkep720: but that's only a one way track
capnkep720: and it's only there to make one statment.
capnkep720: which usually incorporates comedy in it.
RadioFreeMetalG: The Boondocks is amazing
capnkep720: albeit a little harsher and more racial.
RadioFreeMetalG: But who else is there in competition?
capnkep720: none.
RadioFreeMetalG: I watch Deviantartist LeSean, who worked storyboards and character design for the Boondocks
capnkep720: that's really cool.
RadioFreeMetalG: And he even states in his post that the Boondocks is pushing the envelope
capnkep720: yeah
capnkep720: this part of our world is continually being poisoned by mediocrity and redundancy
RadioFreeMetalG: Unfortuately, I will never agree to contrbute to anything below my ideals...so, unfortunately still, I will not go far
capnkep720: well, we can't pave our own way by walking in another's footprints.
RadioFreeMetalG: But I fear that I will never break into animation
capnkep720: you just have to develop a thick skin and just go after what you want.
RadioFreeMetalG: In the end, it's the almighty dollar, both in Japan and America
capnkep720: yeah
RadioFreeMetalG: Japan wants Americans to stop downloading their animation without paying
capnkep720: who knows, you might have the next greatest animated series
RadioFreeMetalG: I wish
RadioFreeMetalG: I think
RadioFreeMetalG: I hope
capnkep720: If you know what you want, the rest will come to you.
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Denny Furlong on
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"Dealing with network executives is like being nibbled to death by ducks".
~Eric Sevareid
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Permalink Reply by PiGPEN on -
Until the western animation industry can be viewed by the public as just another medium rather than a children oriented medium i dont see it being able to excel as much as it could.
The japanese definitely just see it as another medium......the proof of that would be hentai.
Get the porn industry to start making animations and the whole public view will be fixed in no time.
....make it happen FRED!
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*cough cough* Living so close to San Fernando, I must say that isn't so rare. There's actually an internship available locally advertised as "company unknown" for animators... it's porn.
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Permalink Reply by PiGPEN on
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ORLY? LINK PLZ!
i'd like to see some western animated porn..... ive never seen anything western even come close to porn other than maybe some Robert Crumb stuff.
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Sorry, PiGPEN, you'll have to do your own Google search.
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Permalink Reply by PiGPEN on
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im afraid google gets a bit clouded by fanmade adventure time/naruto porn
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Permalink Reply by John Fountain on -
It's not that Americans view animation as 'kiddie stuff' - as someone pointed out, 'Simpsons' and 'King of the Hill' and 'South Park' are proof of that.
I think, like most young mediums, animation is evolving and will continue to evolve into an ecclectic entity - but it takes time.
As my generation - the 'Star Wars' generation - continues to age and spawn, our kids will be surrounded by more and more styles of animation that cover a multitude of genres, and so will their kids, and so on and so on.
And, yes, there is a segment of America that views animation as inherently 'childish'... but there is also a segment of America that considers television in general to be 'childish' - these are the snobs who say "I don't OWN a television - I prefer a good film"... and then, of course, there are snobbier snobs who say "I don't watch movies, I prefer live theatre" and then you have snobbier snobby snobs who say "I only read books." - but they are a rapidly decreasing in numbers.
The most we can hope for is to help animation's evolution along and not hinder it.
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Permalink Reply by Keith Handy on
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Not owning a television makes me a snob?
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Permalink Reply by Elliot Cowan on -
Yes, snob.
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Permalink Reply by John Fountain on
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No, but if you look down your nose at people who DO enjoy television and consider them "childish" for it then, well, yeah - you're kinda a snob.
But since you're here, I doubt that's the case. :)
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Not childish, no, as long as they have an easy time walking away when their favorite shows are over. It's TV's ability to lull us into a hypnotic trance that I sometimes worry about. So I let the internet lull me into a hypnotic trance instead. :)
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Permalink Reply by Elliot Cowan on
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I'm actually a little ashamed to say that I spent almost 10 years working for commercial television networks.
I encourage everyone to buy DVDs and listen to music instead of watching television.
Especially the news...
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