One's or Two's?

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Permalink Reply by Stephen M. Levinson on March 10, 2008 at 10:35pm

Denny, you really know your stuff!

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Permalink Reply by ryan. on March 10, 2008 at 11:06am

I wouldn't worry about what other people are doing. Try some experimenting with your frame rates. Try ones, twos, you could even alternate between ones and twos. After enough tooling around you will find a frame rate that you like/ looks best for what you are doing. What I also wouldn't do is listen to some people in this thread that spend every waking moment on the forums talking their shit up and have nothing to show for it. Just have fun, man.

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Permalink Reply by Capmconnundrum on March 10, 2008 at 1:58pm

There's an interesting chapter on this very thing in Richard Williams' book: "Animator's Survival Kit". In fact, it's called "The Great Ones and Twos Battle. There's some interesting history,Art Babbitt Liked twos, Ken Harris liked ones. And suggestions, for instance,If you do a camera pan on ones with an animated character walking on twos, you can get a strange stroboscopic effect. Williams' rule of thumb, normal actions on twos, very fast or smooth actions on ones. Don't be afraid to use both.

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Permalink Reply by Kyoshi on March 10, 2008 at 2:16pm

Personally I see a difference between even ones & twos usually on faster traveling characters & items. Twos still save a "LOT" of time in animating & usually come out smooth. Still a personal preference to ones works fine... Nowa on eights....
that is another story...

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Permalink Reply by Tim Drage on March 11, 2008 at 9:18am

To paraphrase R.A.W. here on RAW, "Animation is what you can get away with". :)

Twos with the occasional bit of 1s where needed is fine. If you're really good, you'll be able to do it on 3s or 4s or no animation at all and it'll still look and move great. :)

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Permalink Reply by Ian D. Merch on March 14, 2008 at 1:22pm

You want to use a combination of ones and twos. Ones are good when you need smooth action, or you're doing something that's really important and you need it to stand out, but generally speaking, twos are good enough for most things. Often times, if you do ones just for the sake of doing ones, you'll end up with floaty animation, or animation that moves so much it's distracting. Just going for smooth animation for the sake of having smooth animation isn't necessarily a good idea.

A good experiment to do is this:
Take a scene and animate it on twos . Where you see there's places you can add frames to make it look better - do just that.
THEN take a scene and animate it on ones. Wherever you can take frames out and keep the impact of the scene - do just that.

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Permalink Reply by Denny Furlong on March 14, 2008 at 5:12pm

That's a hefty experiment, but it will definitely teach a lesson.

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Permalink Reply by Tommy Cannon on March 16, 2008 at 5:57pm

I read a book by Peter Lord and he wrote that Aardman does a lot of its work in twos.

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Permalink Reply by Kyoshi on March 16, 2008 at 10:20pm

I can see that. That's why tim burtons "corpse bride was waaay smoother than, wallace & gromit curse of the were rabbit

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Permalink Reply by Tim Drage on March 17, 2008 at 7:43am

But maybe almost TOO smooth...


Personally I usually prefer doing stop motion on 1s but I think twos is better for drawn stuff generally speaking.

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Permalink Reply by Crowned One From The Sea on March 18, 2008 at 2:22am

I'm new to animation, but anyway are 1's and 2's different framerates? Could someone explain?

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Permalink Reply by Denny Furlong on March 18, 2008 at 7:30am

What we mean when we say ones or twos is the length of exposure to/of the average frame in animation. It has virtually nothing to do with framerate.

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